Talk:Recipe ingredients
Section 1 Changes Still to Be Made
There are section-specific edit notes hidden in the page in each sub-section. Aside from those changes...
- Corrections between section 1 & 2
- Rabbit Meat inclusion
- Small Bird Meat inclusion
- Mis-matching meats
- Mis-Matching Recipe Ingredients
- Bacon Bits - not allowed for any recipe in b27
- Mutton/Pork Chop - not allowed in soup stew in code (b27)
- Bird/Animal/Rabbit Meat - not allowed in soup/stew in code (b27)
- Fish Fillet - not allowed in stew in code (b27)
- Hey Bowlympicshero, are you working with build 28 code maybe?
Hemilash (talk) 20:03, 20 August 2014 (BST)
Yes. I've been working with IWBUMS. Build 28 should be out proper soon. I prefer to be ahead of the curve. Once IWBUMS 29 is out we should make a more concerted effort to denote beta features, but as of right now, the wiki is so outdated that almost all the info is either missing or has changed. I've even been adding items and features that aren't even in build 28 to the wiki.
Such as 
. There is no code for pumpkins, but the pumpkin pie already has coding. There are also rain boots and an umbrella in the code, but they have no stat values assigned yet so I'm leaving it out. If you have suggestions on how to approach this issue, I'm all ears. --Bowlympicshero (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2014 (BST)
Organization of Info
Two types of tables:
- Section 1: Recipe Ingredients
- Answers the question "What can I put in ______?"
- Section 2: Food-in-Recipe Values
- Answers the question "What can I make if I have ______?"
Raw & Cooked Meats
I ended up omitting cooked versions of ingredients from recipes that can take the raw version. Since the game & wiki consider cooked versions of an item to be the same item (no page for cooked steak f.e.), I'm going to leave it like this for now. But in the future if it becomes awkward or doesn't make sense it should be changed. It's been noted that cooked versions can be used in lieu of raw in the general info section at the top of the Recipe Ingredients page.
Hemilash (talk) 20:03, 20 August 2014 (BST)
NOTE: Game does not treat cooked, burnt, or rotten food as separate items. Cooked, burnt, and rotten are merely modifiers to the base raw item. Raw and Cooked meat tables can be condensed into 1 table. Use either bg colors or font colors to denote item MUST be cooked.
--Bowlympicshero (talk) 19:00, 18 August 2014 (BST)
This change has been adopted for the Food-in-Recipe tables section. Background color is used to show which items can only be used when cooked (though a secondary & subtle method might be added for colorblind users).
For the Recipe Ingredients section...yeah, we'll probably just go with the same format actually, just for visual continuity. I'll see how it looks. Hemilash (talk) 16:50, 19 August 2014 (BST)
Try using a superscript C(C) or other symbol to help colorblind users. --Bowlympicshero (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2014 (BST)
This is kinda what I have in mind to replace the spreadsheet, but I just realized it's going to take a while to go back and get all the numbers:
Ripped values from item scripts. --Bowlympicshero (talk) 01:32, 19 August 2014 (BST)
Charts taken out of draft and moved to Recipe ingredients page. Hemilash (talk) 17:06, 19 August 2014 (BST)
Suggested layout/table changes
Perhaps this formatting would look better on the recipe page.
Soup & Stew Ingredients
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Soup or Stew is crafted by right-clicking on a Cooking Pot. It should be cooked to gain its full hunger reduction (or to cook raw ingredients). Soup/Stew can accept a maximum of 6 ingredients, as well as spices. A Pot of Soup or Stew is heavy, but can be separated into bowls (x2 or x4). Soup ingredients cannot be used with the Pot of Soup crafted from Canned Vegetable Soup.
Ingredients that have gone stale can still be used in soups and stews. Their hunger reduction will be added to the soup, while the boredom and unhappiness penalties will not. This is a good way to extend the life of your perishable foods, and is one of the best uses of soups and stews.
Ingredients that have gone rotten can be used by players with cooking skill of 4 or 5. This will add a small amount of the hunger reduction but will not create rotten soup or stew; an expert chef can trim the rotten pieces off, saving any good parts.
Skill level 4 allows 5% of the ingredient to be saved. Skill level 5 allows 10% of the ingredient to be saved.
Soup Ingredients:
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Stew Ingredients:
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- Soup vs Stew:
- Bacon, Bacon Rashers, Steak, Meat Patty, and Beef Jerky can be used in stew, but not in soup. Bell Pepper, Cheese and Dry Ramen Noodles can be used in soup, but not in stew. Otherwise, every ingredient behaves the same in both soup and stew.
- Soup takes 50 minutes to cook, and burns in 100 minutes.
- Stew takes 70 minutes to cook, and burns in 140 minutes.
Yeah, I like this a lot. I was worried it wouldn't allow for the cooked/uncooked color scheme, but I tried bg colors on the current old format and it looks terrible with the food pictures. So the two sections will just have to have different formats for now. Hemilash (talk) 17:17, 20 August 2014 (BST)
Try using border colors instead of background colors. style="border:5px solid #EDA5A5" This should prevent ugliness with the crappy .pngs I uploaded. Once the wiki is more or less caught up I will focus on updating icons to have proper resolution and transparency. I mainly wanted to establish a naming convention for icons so it's easier to catalog items. i.e.: MEATChicken/TOOLHammer/UTENSILBowl etc.
This is what it should look like.
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Colors, image size, and font size are all subject to tweaking, but this is a proof of concept.
--Bowlympicshero (talk) 22:40, 20 August 2014 (BST)